Motherhood can feel like an impossible job because, in so many ways, we’ve made it one. In this conversation, I sit down with the brilliant Reshma Saujani—founder of Girls Who Code and Moms First and creator of the new documentary No Country for Mothers—to talk about the systems that leave moms carrying too much, the guilt we feel for needing help, and the myth that we should somehow be able to do it all. Together, we ask what it might look like to trade hyper-independence for interdependence—and where we might find real hope for families who are tired of holding everything together.